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this is somewhere in the skies

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with ryan sprague

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all right guys welcome to a very special

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episode of somewhere in the skies and

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this is gonna be a unique show uh one

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with guests

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unlike anyone we've ever had before i am

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super excited

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to talk not only ufos and aliens

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but the supernatural and the paranormal

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this will be both part of our main show

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and our halloween series a hybrid of

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sorts and i

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am so excited to introduce you guys to

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the very first time on summer in the

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skies

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siblin rose the ghost maidens ladies

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welcome to the show hey hello

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hi there we go i got the little graphics

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going on there thank you so much for

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joining us

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inspectors nice yeah nice right i

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thought that would be a witty little uh

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title for what we're gonna be talking

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about today but um first and foremost

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where are you guys joining us from today

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well we are right now we're in the

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netherlands which is a small country in

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yes it is yes

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so that happened again partial lockdown

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i know the feeling well um it seems like

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every time we think we uh

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we're free and we're ready to go out

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into the world something

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happens but we're not interesting yeah

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yeah interesting times we're living in

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that that can't be argued um

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well i guess it's kind of to to get an

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idea of

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who sybil and rose are i mean this is

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the first time for a lot of my listeners

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probably seeing hearing you guys so um

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can you tell us a little about

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who you are how you guys met and uh what

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the ghost maidens collective

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is all about yeah give us the rundown if

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you don't mind

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well maybe we should start with our

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origin story yeah

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yes please or to start comic books let's

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go to the comic book route let's do it

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it's real juicy now me me and sybil we

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were we met each other when we were

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working in the same restaurant

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we uh we met each other in uh as cooks

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yes in a in a restaurant in the

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netherlands and we were flipping burgers

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making a satay which is like a colonial

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we inherited from our beautiful past and

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um yeah so we worked together and

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sybil wasn't is an artist and i would i

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i just started my studies as a writer

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when we met

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and sybil's just finished in her her

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master's

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art yeah long time ago

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and then she moved to the netherlands

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yeah during during our work in flipping

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burgers we also talked about

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art and we made jokes about art and then

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she invited me to her house and she

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showed me an episode of ghost adventures

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because she was like rose you have to

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see this

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this is ridiculous and beautiful and

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then i watched it

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paranormal pop culture genre and ever

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spending all our free time uh

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talking about the paranormal watching

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horror movies

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because there's just so much to say

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about those

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and emily in paris as well another

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horror category

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not to be forgotten about so and so yeah

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we started the ghost maidens and i think

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the ghost maidens is basically just um

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a name a platform for everything that

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under the hood of the paranormal and pop

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culture so

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one day we will see each ot we will we

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poetry we're all working on a music

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so this truly is a a artistic

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endeavor a collective like you said um

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that's really interesting i would i

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it's it's definitely that we're creating

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art but it's also like an

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anthropological

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phenomenon because

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that's kind of like the mirror we like

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right and right logical performative

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let's talk about that for a minute your

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your culture now i know

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adventures is the prime example of like

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they're all about it and like so

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i think uh covering the paranormal and

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expecting something from a ghost or a

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spirit who owes them absolutely nothing

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supernatural uh

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how is it viewed in the netherlands

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specifically i mean is this something

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will you see ghost hunting groups going

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investigating things like you would here

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well definitely not but maybe it's more

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interesting for civil to answer this

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question since she is from

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the united states and she's spent some

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time in the netherlands now

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so i think you are the best one to see

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the difference between

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culture yeah i can see the difference

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has grown up here so she she has full

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knowledge on the uh

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the the historical background of dutch

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supernatural

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which is why i like them a lot because

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they're very like down to earth

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pragmatic

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things make sense uh very logical

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and uh but then i also feel on the other

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side that we have like

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a treasure trove of possibilities

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no one is is is doing this

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it's not necessarily that we

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need to know if someone believes in

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ghosts or not we just need to know

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a general attitude towards people's

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mortality and how they feel about

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living their life how they feel about

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their death what what life means to them

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what they leave behind

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is either non-religious because we've

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to to any kind religious or a little bit

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what's the word for that we don't really

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care what you believe

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uh non-physical things because we are

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open the conversation

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about anything paranormal um

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i experienced this once before so um

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the fear of ridicule and

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the stigma behind it but uh you know

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willing to share with you and i think

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the the ufo subject has become very

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okay to talk about it yeah although the

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who would be like yeah aliens are there

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aliens we don't really encounter them

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yeah yeah no aliens in europe yeah i

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i'm like the alien skeptic of the two is

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oh yeah okay well we'll definitely

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i've got some alien questions that you

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brought to me because we talked off

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camera about like how we could

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approach this conversation and i was so

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excited with some of these topics that

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they're they're questions that need to

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asked of any of these topics uh in terms

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history and folklore and uh and pop

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culture like you said so

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um we'll definitely get to the alien

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i gotta get my ghost stuff in while i

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have the ghost maidens here

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first um so i guess

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i i i've noticed on your instagram you

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guys you go to these very

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interesting locations whether it's in

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the netherlands or other

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areas in europe and uh have gone into

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these places and possibly investigated

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do you actually do you do paranormal

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like are you going into these places and

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trying to like communicate with spirits

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something you want to go and experience

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uh whether it's through images or yeah

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how would a paranormal

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to you too

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well for us just uh communicating with

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with the dead for us is just

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studying history just looking at a

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painting reading a book

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by a person that's passed away i think

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that's the most

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effective way to communicate with the

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past in terms of like

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yeah we do we do go to these places we

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we are still editing our first episode

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of where we did like a real ghost hunt

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with like you know

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some equipment and stuff but we don't

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like to get too

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scientific or technical we just like to

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use the basics

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yeah we're not looking for proof yeah so

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we do go to all these places but

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my my degree was in art history so i i

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love just you know i i think the past is

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is full of of things to learn

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and we we say that being haunted is just

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being

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uh charged charged with history charged

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with historical meaning

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yeah and i think i think like studying

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art and studying the the culture of

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of uh in engaging with

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with uh like ontological things

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uh engaging with metaphysics engaging

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with the spirit world we we still have

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to

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find our word for this i think uh it's

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one thing

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but i think we are we are uh

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researching the paranormal in from

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different perspectives

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to get like the most uh well universal

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uh um perspective on the whole thing if

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you if you if you see it from different

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perspectives like from a socialistic

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cultural uh maybe even scientific

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yeah an anthropological point of view

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and as much as formative yeah and as

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much sometimes you have to look at it as

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much as you can from outside your own

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culture

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because i think it's really hard for

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people to

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understand that like the way you think

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isn't necessarily

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universal so you also have to approach

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things

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from a complete outside perspective and

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that's really hard uh sometimes

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because you're trained to think in this

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way your entire life you've been

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thinking a certain way

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and you know like thinking about a ghost

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or a spirit it

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means something probably quite different

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for us than most people

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because we think that you can haunt

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yourself i mean you can hunt yourself

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with

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mean

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food you know right

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that's a really interesting uh

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perspective i mean i

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i'm currently living in hawaii which is

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part of the united states but

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it's so different when you speak to a

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a local an actual hawaiian

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here you know as a you know a white

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person from the mainland

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i have very specific views and i guess

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preconceived notions about what a spirit

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is uh

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yet when i come here and uh i actually

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just uh did an interview with a a local

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storyteller

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of hawaii legend and folklore and he

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told me

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you know like it's just accepted that we

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speak to the dead or that we speak and

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it's not even

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speaking to a spirit it's literally like

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they never left us

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like yeah the the shell

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yeah the vessel is gone but they're

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still there

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and i i i love the idea that it's just

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it's an

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everyday thing for a culture like uh

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the indigenous people here uh whereas us

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we'd look at it as

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an apparition that maybe we can say a

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word to or use a

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a spirit board don't you think it's also

388
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really fascinating that

389
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here in the west we think that the best

390
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way to communicate with the spirit

391
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is by looking by using technology like

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technology like using science

393
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which is like actually really crazy to

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me to

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to use these physical things to speak

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with something non-physical

397
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and i think ghost maintenance is also a

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little bit about

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like let's let's use different

400
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like let's let's get a different

401
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approach let's just

402
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realize that from a culture that's

403
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extremely materialistic

404
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and let's just realize that and not use

405
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that for the spirit world or something

406
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yeah yeah there's a time and a place for

407
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it and i agree with you

408
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i think uh the approach of art in

409
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specific

410
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is something that really resonated with

411
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me when i learned about what you guys

412
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did because

413
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i i myself am an artist i i went to

414
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oh you went away creating

415
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this is my life oh yes

416
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there you are awesome i i knew we will

417
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have some technological problems tonight

418
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i'm sure as we are

419
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and uh kind of playing off of that

420
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uh we as actors were bringing to life

421
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characters that may have been actual

422
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human beings

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and have died yet here we are

424
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you know resurrecting them time and time

425
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and time again

426
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and it almost creates this energy of

427
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like

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a communion of sorts i guess would be a

429
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good way to

430
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and it's us remembering these people

431
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through art

432
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so i'd love to get maybe a little better

433
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idea of what

434
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what art means to you guys in terms of

435
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if you find

436
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let's say you find a very old painting

437
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in a museum

438
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or at a uh an antique show

439
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uh what does that mean to you in terms

440
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of

441
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what is the story behind this and how

442
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can i infuse it into how i

443
00:17:01,910 --> 00:17:00,720
approach the paranormal i guess is a

444
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long-winded question

445
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yeah i would say that the similarities

446
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between the paranormal and art is

447
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really close because we we use the same

448
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terminology

449
00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:14,559
like medium channel

450
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all of these same kind of like the

451
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artist as channeling something from

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above

453
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and this creative process that comes

454
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through us and we don't really know what

455
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happens or where it comes from

456
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yeah inspiration is kind of like this

457
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thing from beyond you know

458
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so i think it's very the the two worlds

459
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are

460
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very much the same especially in terms

461
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of like psychology

462
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and self-awareness and this this kind of

463
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thing in creation

464
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and yeah i guess looking looking at old

465
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paintings for me

466
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:48,000
is yeah rose says it's like time

467
00:17:51,510 --> 00:17:48,880
traveling

468
00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:51,520
it's the closest we can get to being a

469
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time traveler because we not only see

470
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the past

471
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as as you know how it could have been

472
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but we also see how they saw the past

473
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which is really important

474
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:05,679
you can see you can see it from their

475
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own eyes

476
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which is something else is just being a

477
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spectator it's actually being them

478
00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:14,720
a little bit yeah yeah right exactly

479
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yeah i feel like

480
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you know especially in the world of

481
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theater when you're

482
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trying to uh embody i guess the spirit

483
00:18:27,830 --> 00:18:25,440
of another person you are almost

484
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possessed

485
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it's a living breathing possession

486
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unlike what we see in the movies

487
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if you look at the eyes of a performer

488
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like a good performer and he's really in

489
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the moment he or she

490
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then that's just it's just 100

491
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say the same thing as magic i don't see

492
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any difference

493
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absolutely is putting a spell on itself

494
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or whatever

495
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there's just something supernatural

496
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going on 100

497
00:18:58,710 --> 00:18:56,640
it's not hard we are looking for magic

498
00:19:02,390 --> 00:18:58,720
in the wrong places

499
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um that what what do you mean by that

500
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well i i feel like and this is also a

501
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little bit like

502
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i think we're getting closer to the

503
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ancient alien

504
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:11,280
oh yeah we'll get we'll get there we're

505
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:12,720
definitely going to go there yeah

506
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because uh i feel like

507
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especially like in i'm only speaking for

508
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western culture now like

509
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europe american european american

510
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culture

511
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that we are seeing magic as something

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that is very

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otherworldly like something that is just

514
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a miracle basically that is beyond our

515
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understanding

516
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but i think the magic that is just right

517
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there always is just uh

518
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uh an art piece that overwhelms you

519
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:45,200
or a weird synchronicity that or

520
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:48,640
a word that's following you around or

521
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:51,360
just a strange happening in your life or

522
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an object you lost for a long time

523
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and like every time you feel this

524
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meaning

525
00:20:01,590 --> 00:19:59,200
in your life every time you feel that ah

526
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this this means something to me

527
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that is uh or also when we're in the

528
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restaurant

529
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and all of a sudden everyone comes in at

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the same time

531
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and orders the same thing and they're

532
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not sitting next to each other like that

533
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kind of stuff

534
00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:16,960
is like totally normal you know and then

535
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:19,039
you're like what is going on

536
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everyone coming at the same time and

537
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they all want the same thing it's

538
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totally weird

539
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:26,000
it's like some weird cosmic string like

540
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and we always need yes something that it

541
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was given to

542
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us by higher powers or gods or whatever

543
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:34,720
well why don't why don't we just give

544
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ourselves some credit yeah we're pretty

545
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:37,760
amazing

546
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:40,559
you know we don't that is we're aliens

547
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:41,919
all the time

548
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:45,280
sometimes thank you oh my god

549
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,039
i'm so happy to hear you say that

550
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:48,960
because that that does bleed

551
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:51,360
right into the ancient aliens question

552
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:52,320
you know we have

553
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:55,200
this television show that's been on for

554
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:56,720
almost 15 years and

555
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:59,919
i must admit i full disclosure i have

556
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:00,240
been

557
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:03,919
on the ancient aliens television show

558
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:06,640
okay yeah yeah i mean i'm gonna take the

559
00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:09,280
opportunity when it comes

560
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:11,919
but you know it it brings up the same

561
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:12,480
point

562
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:16,480
of you know we we look to another

563
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:19,039
for these incredible amazing

564
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:20,799
accomplishments we've had as human

565
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:21,760
beings

566
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and think to ourselves now we're not

567
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:26,960
capable of that we were not smart enough

568
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:28,240
we were not

569
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:33,520
yeah yeah so i i i do wonder you know

570
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:35,679
these early thinkers of the ancient

571
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:36,799
astronauts or

572
00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:40,000
ancient alien question uh

573
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:43,919
why why do we have to look to another

574
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:44,960
intelligence or

575
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:48,320
advanced race to have intervened i i

576
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,799
just

577
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:50,159
yeah what are your guys thoughts on

578
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,919
ancient aliens let's let's get the

579
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:53,760
brutal honest truth

580
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,240
what's with the what's with the shame

581
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:58,320
yeah we're saying why why are people

582
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:01,360
too har it's too hard for people to

583
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:02,559
accept that we did it

584
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:04,480
why do they want to put on it put it on

585
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:06,159
aliens or something

586
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:07,840
well i don't i don't have the answer to

587
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:09,520
why why

588
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:24,630
and they were like oh they could only

589
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:26,799
have built these pyramids

590
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:29,200
the when they had a mana machine or

591
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:30,799
something and it's like oh my god

592
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:31,200
they're

593
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:34,640
completely abusing a beautiful moment in

594
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:37,360
art history where there was this writer

595
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:40,159
who had a who had a beautiful symbol to

596
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:41,600
express his

597
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,960
his like oh my disbelief on how amazing

598
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:46,799
these people were to make these

599
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,880
beautiful things and they and this

600
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:50,880
metaphor was just mind-blowing and then

601
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:51,440
now

602
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:53,120
there are people who are saying oh my

603
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:54,559
god

604
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:57,600
like completely neglecting art history

605
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,880
like that it would and they're just

606
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:01,039
saying it must have been other

607
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,240
it makes me so angry

608
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,559
i understand because again we're putting

609
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:08,880
technology back into the picture

610
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:12,159
when in reality it's just it's it's ours

611
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:13,520
it's imagination

612
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:16,320
yeah it's creation and yet let's put

613
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:17,919
this technological

614
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,760
uh slant or angle to it uh because it

615
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:23,840
had to be aliens who used

616
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:26,080
such highly advanced technology to

617
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:27,200
create this no

618
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:30,960
it was the ingenuity it's us

619
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:33,200
it's us thank you thank you i'm glad

620
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:42,710
let's say if aliens have visited our

621
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,520
planet i

622
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:45,520
um and that's still a big question for

623
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:46,799
me even as a

624
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:50,159
alien and ufo researcher uh

625
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:52,400
i think we we have done some incredible

626
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:53,520
things throughout time

627
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,679
um and i don't think we need to put

628
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,120
aliens on to that

629
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:59,360
all the time uh like the show does but

630
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,559
moving back to

631
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,559
ghost i got one more ghost question for

632
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:04,400
you and then we're gonna go

633
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:07,679
full-on alien um all right

634
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,679
i saw something on your instagram

635
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:10,799
recently

636
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:14,000
a question of can ghosts fall in love

637
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,480
and that really that really struck me

638
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:18,400
you know as like i'm

639
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,279
i and my listeners and and viewers know

640
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:23,520
this i'm a very sensitive person

641
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:26,880
um maybe a romantic

642
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,159
i don't know but when i read that

643
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,159
question i was like huh

644
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:32,080
that's a really interesting question so

645
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:33,679
first of all

646
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,919
can ghosts fall in love and second of

647
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,880
all what is

648
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,480
what does that mean what does that mean

649
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:40,159
to the two of you when you ask the

650
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:40,720
question

651
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:43,440
uh can a ghost fall in love or can you

652
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:44,159
fall in love with

653
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:47,600
the ghost let's go like the other way

654
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,320
around

655
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,919
i think that's all that's i think that

656
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:52,320
was our approach to the question also

657
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,440
is that i think we all had celebrity

658
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:57,120
crushes

659
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:00,480
and like me myself i have some plans

660
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:04,080
let me tell you i i have a weird

661
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:05,840
i don't know fetish i mean i don't know

662
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:07,840
if i should share this but i think i am

663
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:11,360
like i like i like dead men

664
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:14,000
virtual men or imaginary man that's like

665
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:15,279
that's my type

666
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,159
but if you turn that around like maybe

667
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:20,480
the dead the virtual and the imaginary

668
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:22,960
can also like us

669
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:26,080
interesting interesting

670
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,720
well i yeah what do you think i do

671
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:32,240
because you know when i'm when we're

672
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:33,760
thinking about ghosts i'm really

673
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:34,880
thinking about

674
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:37,440
you know the living more than i am

675
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:38,240
thinking about

676
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:41,520
like uh the energy left over of a dead

677
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:42,080
person

678
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:45,360
but i mean people can fall in love with

679
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:46,720
ideas

680
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:49,440
and they can they can fantasize about

681
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,279
something their entire life and have it

682
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:53,279
never really come true so you can be in

683
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:55,279
love with someone your entire life

684
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:57,039
and it's only a projection it's only an

685
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,480
image something that's happening within

686
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:00,159
your own head

687
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,720
and it has no place in reality it's pure

688
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:04,559
fantasy i mean everyone does this when

689
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:05,520
they're in love

690
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,559
at first you completely project

691
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:11,120
yourself into another person and i think

692
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:12,640
this is the same thing as being in love

693
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:13,360
with a ghost

694
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:17,200
so i think in terms of the opposite

695
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:20,000
uh can an idea be in love with you i

696
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:20,799
don't think so

697
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,600
i think it's i don't think it's a mutual

698
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:25,360
thing i think it's a one-way

699
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,400
street yeah but you can also ask

700
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:30,400
then you can also ask the question is

701
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:31,760
love

702
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:37,520
right it is this invisible force that i

703
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:38,720
think kind of

704
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:42,080
makes us insane i mean you think of when

705
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:42,880
we are in

706
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:45,360
of love we do things that are completely

707
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,200
irrational we have

708
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:49,279
thoughts and feelings that we can never

709
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:50,640
truly uh

710
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:52,720
interpret or convey and i think you're

711
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:54,720
right i think it is so

712
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:57,679
alien or supernatural in a way that

713
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,640
we'll never

714
00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:00,320
understand what it is just like we'll

715
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,000
never understand what

716
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:04,799
ghosts are or what you know possibly

717
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:05,840
what ufos

718
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,080
represent it's just it's these like you

719
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:10,080
said magical things

720
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:12,960
that might not have an answer and and

721
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,080
that actually

722
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,710
i think yeah absolutely i'm so happy you

723
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,880
asked that because i always get

724
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,960
i always get asked when i'm a guest is

725
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:26,320
uh like

726
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,000
do you think you'll ever know the truth

727
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:30,000
of what ufos are or

728
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:32,799
if aliens have come to our planet and i

729
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:33,600
say

730
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,000
no i and maybe that's sobering or uh

731
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,559
depressing for some people but i don't i

732
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:42,159
don't think we're ever gonna

733
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:44,320
find those answers but i don't care i

734
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:45,600
honestly don't

735
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:48,799
i i love thinking about it

736
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,200
and i love keeping that uh those

737
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:53,440
questions in my mind every day

738
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:55,279
and that's what keeps me going because i

739
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:57,039
think if i found the answers

740
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,120
uh i'd be very disappointed possibly

741
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,279
in what those answers are they may not

742
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:05,600
be as exciting as i hoped but

743
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:08,080
yeah this is the same thing that drives

744
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:09,120
artists as well

745
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,399
there's never going to be a point where

746
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:12,080
you're like oh yeah i figured it out i'm

747
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,840
done now i'm done

748
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:15,760
that you chase for the rest of your life

749
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:16,960
and you

750
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:19,039
you reshape it it fits into different

751
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:20,080
parts of your life

752
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,200
it has it changes you you change it like

753
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:24,960
it's it's a thing that you chase

754
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:27,679
forever it's it's never truth is never

755
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:28,320
like a

756
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:31,679
solid object no

757
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:34,880
i i remember uh reading a quote recently

758
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:35,520
by

759
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,840
uh playwright uh who wrote angels in

760
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:39,360
america you know the very

761
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:42,960
famous play and uh tony kushner and he

762
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:46,399
this play is something like 30

763
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:49,840
40 years old at this point and he's been

764
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:50,720
asked like

765
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:53,200
are you done like is this it because he

766
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:54,080
is constantly

767
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:55,679
rewriting the play and he said what do

768
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,240
you mean done like it's never done

769
00:29:01,510 --> 00:29:00,640
and even a play that's been done all

770
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:01,520
over the world

771
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:04,480
in hundreds of languages hundreds of

772
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:05,600
productions

773
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:08,799
uh he's still rewriting as time goes on

774
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,000
and i think that's what's beautiful

775
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:12,559
about theater my poetry teacher says

776
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:12,960
that

777
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,360
understand yeah yeah what well why

778
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:21,760
why do you think that is um if theater

779
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:23,440
is a living breathing thing

780
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:26,399
you need to move on okay yeah and i have

781
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:26,880
one

782
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,279
where are all the animal ghosts why

783
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:35,520
don't people care about them

784
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:38,960
wow only dogs dogs

785
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:41,039
i've never even thought about that i

786
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,159
know that that

787
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,559
makes that makes me feel like a horrible

788
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:46,320
person i've never even thought about

789
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:47,120
where

790
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:48,880
animal ghosts go well what are your

791
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:50,720
thoughts on that after life

792
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:56,950
what does that mean to you guys the

793
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:58,799
ethics of the afterlife i'd love to hear

794
00:30:01,190 --> 00:30:00,640
your thoughts on that same rule says the

795
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:01,200
livings

796
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:04,000
well we think it's really funny that

797
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:04,799
somehow

798
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:08,000
we expect the same rules in life that

799
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:12,240
do still apply to the afterlife and

800
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,760
which is ridiculous like why

801
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:17,760
why should there be rules when we don't

802
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:19,360
have bodies anymore

803
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:21,039
because i think there's only rules

804
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:22,960
because we have bodies like that's the

805
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:23,600
only

806
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:26,720
world

807
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:29,840
because right like like

808
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:33,039
dumb flesh stops things you know so yeah

809
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:36,799
don't hurt if we die

810
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,799
then why would there still be

811
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:40,559
limitations i don't understand

812
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:43,760
like this like politics even

813
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:47,200
like no dogs cats you get to keep your

814
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:47,840
race

815
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:50,720
and no cows cows don't matter i don't

816
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:50,960
know

817
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:54,000
cows don't matter neither do i

818
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,960
apparently not yeah i totally understand

819
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,080
what you're saying

820
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:01,120
that the afterlife how we see it only

821
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:02,960
is only a projection of the living it

822
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:05,200
has nothing to do with the dead

823
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:08,640
um it's a mirror almost yeah

824
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:11,600
i um that that's i i want to get your

825
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:12,960
thoughts on that when we get to the

826
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:14,799
aliens as well but um

827
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:18,080
well let's move to that so i mean

828
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,960
folklore storytelling plays a large role

829
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,720
in a lot of what you guys look at in

830
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:24,559
terms of art history

831
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:27,360
and um you know and everything like that

832
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:28,720
so

833
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:32,960
in the world of ufos and aliens we have

834
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,080
both you know i guess

835
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:39,120
uh ancient and modern folklorists talk a

836
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:40,159
lot about

837
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:43,360
fairies and uh faye folk and

838
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:46,960
how these could be

839
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:49,200
what aliens are and like throughout

840
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:50,080
history

841
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,760
you know that these encounters with

842
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:53,679
these beings throughout history

843
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:56,320
have changed and evolved so i'd love to

844
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:58,159
get your thoughts on uh

845
00:32:01,590 --> 00:32:00,399
where does folklore play into this whole

846
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:01,600
question of

847
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,399
aliens you know these these big-headed

848
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:06,559
beings with big black eyes that we see

849
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:07,360
now

850
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:08,880
but were they always like that what do

851
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:10,799
you think i think

852
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,240
also this kind of uh new imagining of

853
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:16,799
of folklore in terms of alien stuff is

854
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:17,919
also like

855
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,880
the terence mckenna you take enough

856
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:22,960
drugs or mushrooms and you also start to

857
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:23,679
see these

858
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:26,399
sorts of like earth spirits uh like

859
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:29,840
google deep mind many eyeballs

860
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:32,000
i think it's just a new development and

861
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:32,880
like

862
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:37,360
have always been there

863
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,559
i mean you go to a cave and you go deep

864
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,080
enough in the cave and there's drawings

865
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:44,399
all over the walls and like

866
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:47,519
people you know with large heads and

867
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,559
and all sorts of weird stuff and and

868
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,320
you know that's that's where they went

869
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:54,000
to go think about those things

870
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:56,240
and i i guess it just depends on the

871
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:57,039
context

872
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:00,799
also like take enough mushrooms and go

873
00:33:04,260 --> 00:33:02,480
in the wilderness and you'll probably

874
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:04,270
see some alien i've been on something

875
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,679
[Music]

876
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:07,840
surprised if i would run into a dwarf

877
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:08,799
like

878
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,159
a dwarf family living there i wouldn't

879
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:16,320
be surprised

880
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:20,000
completely blends in yeah i i would fit

881
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:21,360
in very good there i

882
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:25,120
i'm on the so i think i would find my

883
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:26,000
place there

884
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:27,760
for sure for sure i would probably be

885
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:29,120
mistaken for

886
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:32,399
a uh a dwarf if i went there fully

887
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,840
embraced yeah um there's my

888
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:35,919
self-deprecating moment in the interview

889
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:37,039
but moving

890
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,480
are you on the hillside oh my god

891
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,720
that's that's like my dream that's why

892
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:44,320
i'm where i want to live out the rest of

893
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:44,799
my uh

894
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:47,919
my mortal life for sure but um and tea

895
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:48,640
and cheese

896
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,000
yeah don't insult one though yes don't

897
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:54,000
miss out do not piss off the dwarves

898
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,039
yeah

899
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:57,519
um all right well that kind of i guess

900
00:34:02,230 --> 00:33:59,039
bleeds into my next question

901
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:02,240
um religion i mean this is you know a

902
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:04,399
controversial thing for a lot of people

903
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,840
these dogmatic sort of uh i guess

904
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:09,679
principles like you mentioned something

905
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,079
we self-impose on ourselves whether it's

906
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:13,839
belief systems or

907
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:16,079
rules or commandments blah blah blah

908
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:17,919
blah blah but uh

909
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:20,079
when it comes to the question of aliens

910
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:21,119
and um

911
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:24,000
i have spoken to so many people who have

912
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:25,280
claimed

913
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:28,159
having encounters with aliens or you

914
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:28,480
know

915
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:31,520
possibly being abducted by aliens and

916
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:34,639
going up on a ship or you know

917
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:37,200
leaving their home and being somewhere

918
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:38,000
else

919
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:41,119
in another realm or plane

920
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:44,480
and uh it kind of conjures images of

921
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:47,520
like an out-of-body experience um

922
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:51,280
or being in contact with something like

923
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:52,480
an angel

924
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:56,079
uh or a demon it goes both ways i think

925
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:56,560
so

926
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:58,240
what are your thoughts on the questions

927
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,839
of uh

928
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:02,160
aliens and angels i guess is there a

929
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,079
connection

930
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:06,160
i think there is i think they just

931
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:08,160
deliver a different message

932
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:11,839
i think angels appear in a more

933
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:16,160
in a more moral context

934
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,599
i think an angel always comes to bring

935
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:21,359
some kind of knowledge that you have to

936
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:22,800
do something with

937
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:25,760
where where an alien has a little bit

938
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:26,320
the same

939
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:29,599
in awe there's always this

940
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:32,720
what's this emotion sublime

941
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,440
like the sublime the sublime experience

942
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:37,200
of of encountering and

943
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:39,839
and being from above but i think the the

944
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:40,960
alien

945
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:44,000
has a more um

946
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:51,910
yeah science i think it's less

947
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,800
metaphorical i don't know like i'm the i

948
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:56,960
think yeah but i think the morality that

949
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,680
aliens

950
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,599
tend to bring is also something about

951
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:01,680
like climate change

952
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:04,640
loving your planet you only have one yes

953
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:06,800
but i would say that if this were the

954
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:08,800
case and aliens were really concerned

955
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:10,640
about like planet resources that they

956
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,000
would 100

957
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,320
want to take the resources they find in

958
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:16,720
the broad expanse of the universe

959
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:18,800
because there's not that much around so

960
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:21,359
i would say that i would say is there

961
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:21,839
anything

962
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:23,599
like the species that exists in the

963
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:25,599
universe like us already that we're

964
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:29,040
pretty uh resource resource thirsty

965
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:32,560
so especially in terms of like water and

966
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:34,480
carbon well you have a theory about

967
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:36,400
aliens yeah well i think they're us

968
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:40,240
from the future oh my god

969
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:43,119
you ding ding ding you hit like all the

970
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,560
alarms just went off

971
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:46,720
for me for that um and i do want to talk

972
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:49,280
about that but let's um

973
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:51,200
one last thing going kind of off of the

974
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:52,320
messages thing

975
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,280
um you're right i i again all these

976
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:57,119
individuals who i've spoken to who have

977
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:57,920
claimed

978
00:37:01,430 --> 00:37:00,640
they were given messages by alien beings

979
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:01,440
or

980
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:04,720
believe

981
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:07,760
they communicated with is

982
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:11,359
impending doom or um you know basically

983
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:12,960
like we say in america like

984
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,760
fix your like get your act together

985
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:17,680
you're you're ruining the planet

986
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:20,160
you're killing one another you can't

987
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,000
even like talk to someone because

988
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:24,480
they're a different color or um a

989
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:25,119
different

990
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:28,640
sexual orientation like it's it's these

991
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:29,920
messages of

992
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:32,240
like get your act together or you're

993
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:33,520
gonna you're gone

994
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:36,560
and like you're done and i do wonder

995
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,599
you know your thoughts on would they

996
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:41,920
want our resources if they were here or

997
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:44,800
do we play some role in a bigger picture

998
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:45,760
of like

999
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:48,880
uh they're here for a reason um

1000
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:52,720
i wonder oh sorry

1001
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:55,119
no no no i always just say i wonder if

1002
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:56,160
uh

1003
00:38:02,550 --> 00:37:59,599
they even care so yeah what do you think

1004
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:02,560
yeah i'm also like always concerned

1005
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:04,000
about like

1006
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:06,880
these these abduction stories and

1007
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,359
they're

1008
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:09,680
also similar to like you know angelic

1009
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,920
kind of like outer body experiences like

1010
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:13,680
you said but like

1011
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:17,200
um i just lost my train of thought

1012
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:20,640
but i just wonder like how often

1013
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,839
these things would happen if there

1014
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,920
wasn't a culture kind of supporting

1015
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:25,440
alien abduction if there weren't all

1016
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:27,040
these movies being made about it if

1017
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:28,560
there wasn't all this science fiction

1018
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:30,640
which only really started you know

1019
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:32,000
you probably know better than me but

1020
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,760
only really started like

1021
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,000
after world war ii and like when when

1022
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:37,839
science really the devastation of

1023
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,560
science

1024
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:40,560
uh was really seen and felt and like you

1025
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:42,880
know dropping nuclear bombs and like

1026
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:46,160
this kind of like scientific anxiety so

1027
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,880
i i'm just always curious about like how

1028
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,119
much this alien myth would exist

1029
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:53,839
or these experiences would be reported

1030
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,839
without the culture without the western

1031
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,119
culture that goes with it because i

1032
00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:59,280
don't think it's necessarily a

1033
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:02,160
completely universal phenomenon in the

1034
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:03,040
way that like

1035
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:04,960
people in the west report it but i i

1036
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,079
don't know

1037
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:08,800
well like definitely not because like

1038
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:09,119
for

1039
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:13,200
of any

1040
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:16,320
any uh ufo

1041
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,440
uh ever being seen maybe like i mean

1042
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,359
maybe there have been but i think in

1043
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:23,280
colorado it's pretty common for people

1044
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:23,599
to

1045
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:26,240
see ufos i say something weird you know

1046
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:27,119
so we could

1047
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:28,720
think that maybe in your colorado

1048
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:31,359
there's just ufos or maybe in colorado

1049
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:32,480
it's more

1050
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:35,680
um accepted to see one

1051
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:38,079
yeah there's a lot of sky there's a lot

1052
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,680
of satellites there's a lot of

1053
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,040
and i think it doesn't really matter

1054
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:43,280
which one of the two it is because

1055
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,480
these encounters i think whether they're

1056
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:47,920
real or not i don't really care about

1057
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:50,000
that they're relevant

1058
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:52,079
because people have seen them and people

1059
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:53,760
have got a message

1060
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:56,800
from that and i think that's and that's

1061
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:59,359
that's relevant it says something the

1062
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:00,400
stories matter

1063
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:03,760
yeah yes every story has value and

1064
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,520
i mean i i wrote a book all about

1065
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:10,160
the people who have had the experiences

1066
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:11,200
not

1067
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,400
how big was the ufo or like what did the

1068
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:16,079
alien look like like

1069
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,440
you're right at the end of the day i

1070
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:19,119
honestly don't give a

1071
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:22,240
i i want to know how it affected you and

1072
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,680
uh

1073
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:26,160
how it affected your belief systems or

1074
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:26,880
your

1075
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:30,160
perception of the world and time and

1076
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:30,720
space

1077
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:33,760
and everything in between yeah

1078
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:37,200
um well okay so let's go down the route

1079
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:40,560
of uh us from the future

1080
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:43,599
i love love love this theory

1081
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:47,280
um there have been encounters with ufos

1082
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:49,040
and beings where people have said

1083
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:50,640
straight up

1084
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:52,240
they told us they were us from the

1085
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,079
future coming back to

1086
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:57,040
either warn us or something so yeah

1087
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:57,839
let's go

1088
00:41:02,710 --> 00:40:59,920
what do you what do you got for me time

1089
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:02,720
travel are these what aliens are yeah

1090
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:05,760
yeah i think we're still up in

1091
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,160
the future

1092
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:10,960
so i think we the technology always

1093
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,119
comes first and then we're like whoops

1094
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:15,280
that didn't really go so well sybil is

1095
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:16,880
such an optimist she's

1096
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:19,040
she thinks we're still gonna be here in

1097
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:20,880
a couple of thousand years because

1098
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,520
that's what it takes for evolution to

1099
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,599
shape our heads like that and then we we

1100
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,680
speak with telecommunication like that's

1101
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:29,200
not so hard for me to imagine we're

1102
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,880
already doing that through devices now

1103
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:32,400
like without speaking we're thinking

1104
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:33,920
thoughts in each other's heads like

1105
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,440
that's pretty amazing

1106
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:37,359
so i don't really think it's that far of

1107
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:39,760
a step until we just like put a little

1108
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:41,680
whatever in there and then we start

1109
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,520
communicating with each other and then

1110
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:46,560
we're like you know what we we need to

1111
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:49,440
get a hold of some really good

1112
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,960
strong dna uh we need to go back in time

1113
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:55,200
here and here uh i wonder i actually

1114
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:56,640
wonder if uh

1115
00:42:02,710 --> 00:41:59,200
alien objections decreased or increased

1116
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:02,720
during 2020 i'm very curious about that

1117
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:04,480
yeah or something and then they're like

1118
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:06,640
that's a really good

1119
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:10,400
good strong genetic material we got to

1120
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:12,000
go back and get it i don't know i don't

1121
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,599
know what happened in the future but if

1122
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,520
it's anything like this here i

1123
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,440
saw the tip of the iceberg like the new

1124
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:18,880
corona virus that

1125
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:22,480
like yeah decapitates us tell me about

1126
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:22,880
it

1127
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,480
well i i do wonder that um you know

1128
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:28,720
when people describe these beings they

1129
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:31,280
look very

1130
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:33,520
i don't want to say devolved because

1131
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:34,960
that's condescending but

1132
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:37,920
uh they look non-human as as we see

1133
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:38,960
humans they look

1134
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:42,880
uh androgynous they look uh like their

1135
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,800
heads are big but their bodies are small

1136
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,560
so like you said there's probably more

1137
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:48,160
going on in the brain

1138
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:51,920
than like in the body and they they

1139
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:54,880
communicate telepathically so is it us

1140
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,440
you know

1141
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,440
a thousand years from now coming back to

1142
00:43:02,550 --> 00:42:59,200
see what we were then

1143
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,560
probably 10 000. the thing is though

1144
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:05,040
i don't know i used to study biology for

1145
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,800
like four years so i've got opinions

1146
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:08,160
about this but

1147
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,920
it's it's not uh it's not unnecessarily

1148
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,960
uh

1149
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,560
widespread thing that things are

1150
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:16,160
supposed to have uh

1151
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:19,200
symmetrical bodies you know two eyes

1152
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:22,560
two nostrils one mouth like this is very

1153
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:25,920
very central to earth so like just look

1154
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:27,520
at the bottom of the scene there's some

1155
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:29,440
crazy life forms down there so

1156
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:32,960
i'm like 17 arms yeah

1157
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:36,400
yes yeah i i always tell people like

1158
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,960
stop looking for stuff up there like all

1159
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:40,319
the stuff is down

1160
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:43,760
in the ocean like aliens

1161
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:46,079
know about the universe yeah

1162
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:46,960
exactly

1163
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:48,640
yes i'm on the same page with you on

1164
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:51,040
that i think we should be spending a lot

1165
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:52,160
more resources

1166
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:55,680
and time and money into what's in our

1167
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:57,200
deep seas than what's

1168
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:59,119
in our deep skies and that's coming from

1169
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:00,720
a ufo alien guy

1170
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:07,670
exactly and if the aliens are coming

1171
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,560
like

1172
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,800
if the aliens are coming to save us now

1173
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:12,240
would be the time i think

1174
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,839
uh but they have chosen not to

1175
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,760
they wouldn't just like waiting for

1176
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,680
angels they're like they don't care

1177
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:21,359
about your sports award

1178
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:24,480
they don't yeah very good point

1179
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,390
no exactly yeah that's a good point very

1180
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:32,240
very good point um

1181
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:35,680
well i guess kind of wrapping up here

1182
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:40,240
ghost maidens uh what do you

1183
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:43,440
what would you give advice to those who

1184
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,920
want to look into these things but are

1185
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:47,680
afraid to like you said

1186
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:50,079
a lot of this is not embraced where

1187
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:51,280
where you live and

1188
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:54,400
other parts of the world um where

1189
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:57,920
again here in america like we are

1190
00:45:01,829 --> 00:45:00,880
aggressively proud of every weird thing

1191
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:01,839
we do

1192
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:04,160
uh what would you give what kind of

1193
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:05,599
advice would you give to those who want

1194
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:07,119
to get involved in

1195
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:10,480
the paranormal or uh you know

1196
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,119
ufos and everything all this weird stuff

1197
00:45:16,829 --> 00:45:14,720
we talk about

1198
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:16,839
well first of all stop confusing it with

1199
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:19,839
science

1200
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,309
i would well

1201
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,240
you could i wouldn't say thinking it is

1202
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:32,880
scientists and maybe using science

1203
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:35,680
to to get there because it's it's

1204
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:36,560
totally a

1205
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,480
bi-culture basis like every culture is

1206
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:41,920
different

1207
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:44,000
and i would i would look at the factors

1208
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:46,079
inside of your own culture and their own

1209
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:46,960
beliefs about

1210
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:50,000
the afterlife and mortality and and the

1211
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,720
past

1212
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,640
because you have to be able to put

1213
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:55,200
yourself in a position

1214
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,560
of knowing about the past and also

1215
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,160
what you're going to contribute to the

1216
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,160
future of it so

1217
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:03,920
i'd say that you should know a little

1218
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:06,480
bit of history before you get started

1219
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:09,040
in the paranormal you should know uh you

1220
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,880
know you should have some

1221
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:12,720
important i think you should just care

1222
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,000
about philosophy

1223
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,079
because there's some of that i think in

1224
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,240
the end it's it's a philosophical

1225
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:20,880
it's a philosophical philosophical hobby

1226
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:21,520
in the end

1227
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:24,560
oh yeah like oh let's let's just see

1228
00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:27,599
like this is a very old tradition of

1229
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:33,910
contemplating the fundamentals of

1230
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:34,960
reality

1231
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,240
which is its philosophy

1232
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:42,240
it is and i know that a lot of

1233
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:43,599
scientists

1234
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:45,839
out there believe philosophy is dead

1235
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:46,640
which

1236
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:49,920
i would argue not a chance in hell like

1237
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:52,960
you as a scientist your job is also to

1238
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:57,030
we meet philosopher philosophers

1239
00:47:02,309 --> 00:46:58,960
for that yeah

1240
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:02,319
tell me about it no

1241
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,359
yeah yeah i know well um

1242
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,520
i guess kind of wrapping things up here

1243
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:09,520
guys tell us about

1244
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:11,200
what you have going on no i know your

1245
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:12,560
patreon is

1246
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:15,359
um very popular this is kind of where

1247
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:17,200
you live and breathe a lot of what you

1248
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:17,920
do

1249
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:19,839
um you know outside of the music which i

1250
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,040
want to hear about as well

1251
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,960
but uh tell us about a little about what

1252
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:24,960
you do over on your patreon

1253
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:28,319
feed yeah so we're all uh

1254
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:31,040
we put basically our full versions of

1255
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:33,119
the things that we do there so

1256
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,160
uh we're still in the process of making

1257
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,640
videos so that's we've been doing this

1258
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:40,240
for about a year and a half and i would

1259
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,599
say that a good

1260
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:44,160
portion of it has been with corona

1261
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,960
around so

1262
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,640
like that's that's changed things a

1263
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,559
little bit but yeah we put

1264
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,880
most of our uh full-length things on

1265
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:53,040
patreon and then we also have a lot of

1266
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:57,280
other weird categories for example

1267
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:00,319
you can choose the eternal possession

1268
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:03,920
category and we we i'm i'm trained as a

1269
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,839
classical portrait painter so i will

1270
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,680
paint your portrait and rose will write

1271
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,440
you a love poem

1272
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:11,599
and we have other ones where we do a

1273
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,119
dream and symbol

1274
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:15,359
interpretation of your you know whatever

1275
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:16,480
dream something

1276
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:17,760
something weird that's happened to you

1277
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:20,160
we basically listen and give her advice

1278
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:22,480
but you can also become like a what's

1279
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:23,920
the name like the

1280
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:26,319
small lover yeah the spooky supporter

1281
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:28,400
yeah and then simple she painted

1282
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:32,240
uh our eyes yeah and you will get a

1283
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,440
small charm with our lover's eye you can

1284
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:36,960
you can put it on a necklace

1285
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:39,440
oh wow that's so cool i love it we have

1286
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:40,000
like these

1287
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:43,119
little haunted art objects that we made

1288
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:45,920
ourselves uh also they came from the the

1289
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:48,160
georgian period the lover's eye

1290
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,760
so it's like this kind of secret

1291
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:51,440
portrait of

1292
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:52,800
and that he would wear and it would be a

1293
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,880
secret it'd be your lover or maybe an

1294
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:56,319
object of mourning

1295
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:58,400
it could be like a death object and we

1296
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:59,599
put a little spell on it

1297
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:02,079
to make it extra magical yes so it's

1298
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,599
both of our eyes i painted

1299
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:05,599
i painted both of them and then we we

1300
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:08,000
have like yeah we have little gifts or

1301
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:11,359
or like readings paintings

1302
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,280
yeah you can even become our supporter

1303
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:15,200
for like two dollars a month and just

1304
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,079
see all of our full-length things and

1305
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:19,920
inspire us communicate with us

1306
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:22,880
we'll even make a performance based off

1307
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:23,200
of

1308
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:26,880
a conversation so what no what is uh

1309
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:29,520
what is this go on a date with the ghost

1310
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:31,119
maidens thing what is this

1311
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,160
stuff over dinner yeah death over dinner

1312
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:38,880
if you become our patron for i think

1313
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:39,280
five

1314
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:44,160
to know

1315
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:47,280
what your perspective perspectives on

1316
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:48,480
the paranormal

1317
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:51,440
are and then we will make you your uh

1318
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:51,760
like

1319
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:55,359
for your last meal we will make it for

1320
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:56,160
you

1321
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:57,680
and then because we're going to catch

1322
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:00,960
him huh and then we're going to eat it

1323
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,160
so that we can start a friendship yeah

1324
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:06,079
talk about mortality i think that's the

1325
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:07,520
most

1326
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:10,559
down-to-earth exciting

1327
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:12,559
philosophy philosophical honest

1328
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,079
conversation you can have with someone

1329
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,640
you get to know a lot about someone yeah

1330
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,480
absolutely it's very intimate and it's

1331
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:20,319
uh it's also

1332
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:22,400
people are afraid to talk about it yes

1333
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:24,079
very good point i think uh

1334
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:26,319
certainty we have let's talk about it

1335
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:27,359
yeah it's

1336
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:29,359
it's also the only thing we all have in

1337
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:30,960
common right i mean

1338
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,400
we can have different beliefs and we may

1339
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:36,400
think aliens are real or ghosts are real

1340
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:38,079
or not but at the end of the day we all

1341
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:38,960
die

1342
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,400
and it's something we should confront

1343
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:42,240
and i guess embrace

1344
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:45,359
right i guess yeah just do the dance

1345
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:46,480
macabre

1346
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,839
we're all gone exactly

1347
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:51,920
exactly well i know where i'm going

1348
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,240
after this i'm gonna go join the patreon

1349
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:57,119
because i love what you guys are doing

1350
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:57,760
um

1351
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:01,200
this has been so refreshing so yeah

1352
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:04,720
um i i'm so happy i found you guys um

1353
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:08,079
i know this is not the last time

1354
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,000
yes yes i want to know more about aliens

1355
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:14,640
uh well okay we're gonna do a part two

1356
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:15,440
of this i think

1357
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:17,920
because we gotta we have so much more to

1358
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:19,599
talk about but um

1359
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:21,920
i'm i know it's getting late there we're

1360
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:23,680
almost 12 hours apart

1361
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:26,400
you're getting ready to wind down all

1362
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:27,760
right

1363
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:30,480
doesn't matter anymore time is time is

1364
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:31,839
but relative i know

1365
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:35,359
um but before we go where can we find

1366
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:38,640
everything you guys are up to and uh yes

1367
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:41,040
where can we find the ghost maidens well

1368
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:42,400
we're on youtube

1369
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:44,720
so uh just yeah just type in the ghost

1370
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:46,240
maintenance on youtube

1371
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,839
we're on patreon.com the ghost maidens

1372
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:51,599
there's a the very important people

1373
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,079
forget

1374
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:54,480
the the ghost maidens and then we're

1375
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:57,359
also the ghost maidens on instagram

1376
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:00,480
and on halloween we'll be doing our

1377
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:05,200
very first twitch appearance

1378
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:07,040
we'll be wearing our halloween costumes

1379
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:08,160
and they're going to be completely

1380
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:08,960
ridiculous

1381
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:11,359
it's going to be paranormal culture all

1382
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:12,160
right

1383
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:19,430
okay okay consider me there

1384
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:21,599
if you go to instagram the ghost maidens

1385
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:23,599
there's also a link tree there

1386
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:25,040
yeah you find everything there you can

1387
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:26,720
find everything there and also on twitch

1388
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,480
we're the ghost maidens but the easiest

1389
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:30,319
thing is if you have instagram already

1390
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:32,720
you can find all the links in our bio

1391
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,640
the ghost maintenance boom i love it

1392
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:39,200
the ghost made it ladies thank you so

1393
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:41,040
much for joining me today on summer in

1394
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:41,760
the skies

1395
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:44,240
happy halloween season and we will

1396
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:24,960
[Music]

1397
00:53:30,130 --> 00:53:28,450
do